Matthews: Hillary Clinton in that debate... Didn't she say that Obama was naive on foreign policy?
Wolfson: She didn't say that during the debate. She said that after the debate.
Matthews: How would you describe [Sen. Clinton's] position in voting to authorize the war in Iraq believing we weren't going to war, that Bush really didn't intend to go to war. Was that naive?
Wolfson: Look, she's taken responsibility for the vote. She's been asked about this...
Mathews: Wouldn't you call that naive to believe...
Wolfson: No...
Matthews: ...that we're not going to war when everybody thought we were going to war? I thought we were going to war.
Wolfson: I guess 80 percent of the country was naive then.
Matthews: They didn't think Bush would take us to war?
Wolfson: I think people were, believed George Bush was going to do what he said he was going to do, which was to try diplomacy. And he didn't.
Matthews: Anybody who didn't think we were going to war, in the months leading up to the war in Iraq, wasn't paying attention.